Audio loops replace more and more the old Midi pattern/songs...
I think that trend has slowed and may even reverse itself among songwriters and home musicians. I'll never use loops unless I record them myself because it's faster just to make the exact drum pattern I want vs. find it. Yes, I'm very particular when it comes to every part of a song (especially the drums because the "heart of rock-n-roll is the beatin'". Did I just quote Huey Lewis again? Dang!
The R-Series [has] no song mode - but the features for loops/samples are much better than in older Zoom recorders.
I still don't know of a single R24 user who leverages that functionality in a productive manner and the R24 has been out for quite a while now. See my R24 vs. R8 drum machine posts in the R24 section for why I say that. Zoom has failed in this area. Hey, I hope you're not one of the people feeding them the bad advice to move in the direction they have? Lol... just bustin' on ya.
By this you need 4 tracks of the R8 to create a 'song' like this: I-V-C-V-C-V-C-S-C-E
Yeah, isn't that a horrible? It reminds me of when I owned a Tascam 424 and was track poor and had to bounce to make more room. God forbid you want to go back and make changes... sheesh. It was nice to get an MRS8 and finally get away from that disaster. The worst part about the track sequencer approach is if you actually want to use a music file again (and thus, leverage the gist of the new "features") you're forced to use it from zero start position so it really limits what can be done with each track in terms of serially along a timeline, and thus, greatly under utilizes the resources. Again, one is forced to bounce and mix along the way to get the equivalent of what could be done in a simple and continuably editable manner in the classic Zoom recorders -- not good unless you really miss the analog 80s.
If you just want to playback a Midi song - why not convert it to audio and load this into the R8/R24 as stereo backing track? By this can you use other instruments in addition to the drums again.
Yeah, I'll continue to keep it as F.A.S.T. data on the MRS8 and send an audio scratch track to the R24. The MIDI is going from MRS8 to PC so I don't have to double-work the drums (codekiddie supplied a free converter for that), and yes, I'm able to apply whatever sound I want to the MIDI once on PC. \
As usual, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to answer. You're a knowledgable guy... even if we disagree on the virtues of the R series and the direction Zoom recorders are going in.
PS: maybe I can rig my MRS8 (that I'm using as a drum machine) to trigger Start/Stop/Continue commands via it's MIDI out into the R24 in slave mode, lol. Guess I'll have to bust out the multi-meter... That would merely save me the time to port the drum audio to an R24 track and the need to re-do it if I modify the song structure along the way (add an intro, etc.). Ideally, I'd like to keep the PC part of the process down to setting the final drum sounds, minor editing/clean up, and final mixdown.